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Twin_Moose

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You don't think Jews were disliked before '48?

Considering how Israel came about and the lies told, as TB pointed out - anyone who's familiar with history.
Of course but post 1945 and especially 1948 recognizing a Jewish state by the UN enraged the Nazi trained Muslims, pre 1918 the Ottomans, post Genghis Khan Mongolian empire recognized the Jewish people and all other religions and allowed them to exist throughout the Ottoman empire, thus the last time the Muslims tolerated or protected the Jewish people.
 

Serryah

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Of course but post 1945 and especially 1948 recognizing a Jewish state by the UN enraged the Nazi trained Muslims,

And that would be why?


pre 1918 the Ottomans, post Genghis Khan Mongolian empire recognized the Jewish people and all other religions and allowed them to exist throughout the Ottoman empire, thus the last time the Muslims tolerated or protected the Jewish people.

The Jewish people existed in Muslim society because they paid a "tax" to be able to worship as they wished, just as all other non-Muslim religions did. If they didn't, they were not treated "well" (usually killed) or exiled.

Their life was HARDLY tolerated, nor protected.


"Although Jewish life improved under Islamic rule, an interfaith utopia did not exist.[10]: 58  Jews still experienced persecution. Under Islamic Rule, the Pact of Umar was introduced, which protected the Jews but also established them as inferior.[10]: 59  Since the 11th century, there have been instances of pogroms against Jews. Examples include the 1066 Granada massacre, the razing of the entire Jewish quarter in the Andalucian city of Granada.[13] In North Africa, there were cases of violence against Jews in the Middle Ages, and in other Arab lands including Egypt, Syria and Yemen.[citation needed] Beginning in the 15th century, the Moroccan Jewish population was confined to segregated quarters known as mellahs. In cities, these were surrounded by walls and a fortified gateway. Rural mellahs, however, were separate villages inhabited solely by Jews.[14] The Almohads, who had taken control of much of Islamic Iberia by 1172, were far more fundamentalist in outlook than the Almoravides, and they treated the dhimmis harshly. Jews and Christians were expelled from Morocco and Islamic Spain.[15] Faced with the choice of either death or conversion, some Jews, such as the family of Maimonides, fled south and east to more tolerant Muslim lands, while others went northward to settle in the growing Christian kingdoms.[16] In 1465, a mob enraged by stories about the behavior of a Jewish vizier killed many of the Jews and the Sultan himself.[17] The community was temporarily converted but soon reverted to Judaism.[17]"


It depends on the time, the place, and who was in charge. They were tolerated more by Muslims, because Christians were fucking dicks (to be blunt) and, IMO, the blame Christians put on Jews for killing Jesus is what made them hate Jews so much. But as Muslims did not see Jesus as the Messiah but a Prophet, like Mohammed, their view on faith was closer to that of Jewish faith.
 

petros

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"Although Jewish life improved under Islamic rule, an interfaith utopia did not exist.[10]: 58  Jews still experienced persecution. Under Islamic Rule, the Pact of Umar was introduced, which protected the Jews but also established them as inferior.[10]: 59  Since the 11th century, there have been instances of pogroms against Jews. Examples include the 1066 Granada massacre, the razing of the entire Jewish quarter in the Andalucian city of Granada.[13] In North Africa, there were cases of violence against Jews in the Middle Ages, and in other Arab lands including Egypt, Syria and Yemen.[citation needed] Beginning in the 15th century, the Moroccan Jewish population was confined to segregated quarters known as mellahs. In cities, these were surrounded by walls and a fortified gateway. Rural mellahs, however, were separate villages inhabited solely by Jews.[14] The Almohads, who had taken control of much of Islamic Iberia by 1172, were far more fundamentalist in outlook than the Almoravides, and they treated the dhimmis harshly. Jews and Christians were expelled from Morocco and Islamic Spain.[15] Faced with the choice of either death or conversion, some Jews, such as the family of Maimonides, fled south and east to more tolerant Muslim lands, while others went northward to settle in the growing Christian kingdoms.[16] In 1465, a mob enraged by stories about the behavior of a Jewish vizier killed many of the Jews and the Sultan himself.[17] The community was temporarily converted but soon reverted to Judaism.[17]"


It depends on the time, the place, and who was in charge. They were tolerated more by Muslims, because Christians were fucking dicks (to be blunt) and, IMO, the blame Christians put on Jews for killing Jesus is what made them hate Jews so much. But as Muslims did not see Jesus as the Messiah but a Prophet, like Mohammed, their view on faith was closer to that of Jewish faith.
Where in there was an Ottoman ruled country?

Do you know who they were and where they reigned?
 
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Can't fix stupid, Serryah.
 
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And that would be why?




The Jewish people existed in Muslim society because they paid a "tax" to be able to worship as they wished, just as all other non-Muslim religions did. If they didn't, they were not treated "well" (usually killed) or exiled.

Their life was HARDLY tolerated, nor protected.


"Although Jewish life improved under Islamic rule, an interfaith utopia did not exist.[10]: 58  Jews still experienced persecution. Under Islamic Rule, the Pact of Umar was introduced, which protected the Jews but also established them as inferior.[10]: 59  Since the 11th century, there have been instances of pogroms against Jews. Examples include the 1066 Granada massacre, the razing of the entire Jewish quarter in the Andalucian city of Granada.[13] In North Africa, there were cases of violence against Jews in the Middle Ages, and in other Arab lands including Egypt, Syria and Yemen.[citation needed] Beginning in the 15th century, the Moroccan Jewish population was confined to segregated quarters known as mellahs. In cities, these were surrounded by walls and a fortified gateway. Rural mellahs, however, were separate villages inhabited solely by Jews.[14] The Almohads, who had taken control of much of Islamic Iberia by 1172, were far more fundamentalist in outlook than the Almoravides, and they treated the dhimmis harshly. Jews and Christians were expelled from Morocco and Islamic Spain.[15] Faced with the choice of either death or conversion, some Jews, such as the family of Maimonides, fled south and east to more tolerant Muslim lands, while others went northward to settle in the growing Christian kingdoms.[16] In 1465, a mob enraged by stories about the behavior of a Jewish vizier killed many of the Jews and the Sultan himself.[17] The community was temporarily converted but soon reverted to Judaism.[17]"


It depends on the time, the place, and who was in charge. They were tolerated more by Muslims, because Christians were fucking dicks (to be blunt) and, IMO, the blame Christians put on Jews for killing Jesus is what made them hate Jews so much. But as Muslims did not see Jesus as the Messiah but a Prophet, like Mohammed, their view on faith was closer to that of Jewish faith.
 

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Absolutely and this shouldn't have happened to the prof, nor should the student's be threatened.

But I don't see you mention the Arab/Palestinian students who have also been harassed.

And then there's this:


BTW, the Prof you mentioned?

Yeah, this is him (so did you mean to post that or no?):




So... how do you explain the fact Jewish students, while being harassed, are also supportive of the pro-Palestinian protests? Or are they "not Jewish" somehow, or "not Jewish Enough"?
 

Twin_Moose

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Absolutely and this shouldn't have happened to the prof, nor should the student's be threatened.

But I don't see you mention the Arab/Palestinian students who have also been harassed.

And then there's this:


BTW, the Prof you mentioned?

Yeah, this is him (so did you mean to post that or no?):




So... how do you explain the fact Jewish students, while being harassed, are also supportive of the pro-Palestinian protests? Or are they "not Jewish" somehow, or "not Jewish Enough"?
Peace isn't a bad thing there are protestors demanding Ukraine to surrender to Russia in the name of peace, brutality and terrorism should not be rewarded though.