"Assholes." Leastways that was the least offensive of the terms we used when I was in the game.
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I hear you, & though I don’t disagree, there’s got to be a term that all agree upon including the groups themselves you’d think, right?
Sounds kinda stuffy, but "non-state actors" seems pretty accurate. I'd call Hezbollocks and the Who-these "non-state actors affiliated with Iran."
Heres the thing. You cant call Russo Ukrainian war a proxy war without calling this a proxy war.
At what point have Syria or Lebanon made an effort to separate themselves from IRCG or Hezbollah?
Is this less than or grater than?
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Hezbollah involvement in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia
Syrian civil war spillover in Lebanon - Wikipedia
Yet Iran seems to be calling the shots on Hezbollah even though they’re predominantly (Hezbollah, not Iran) based out’a Syria & Lebanon. Iran has allegedly removed senior Hezbollah and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) from Syria.
IRGC and Hezbollah's mid-ranking officers are relocating from their original positions within the country to various undocumented locations, as reported by the Wall Street Journal citing Syrian security officials.
Iran evacuates Hezbollah, IRGC commanders from Syria amid fears of Israeli retaliation
Amid concerns of an Israeli retaliation strike onto Iran, Iran has evacuated IRGC and Hezbollah commanders stationed within Syria.
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State sponsored then?Hezbollah involvement in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia
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Sounds like they (Syrian & Lebanese Gov’ts) affiliated with Hezbollah to fight against ISIS and Al-Quada, so not exactly separating themselves from Hezbollah.Syrian civil war spillover in Lebanon - Wikipedia
Yet Iran seems to be calling the shots on Hezbollah even though they’re predominantly (Hezbollah, not Iran) based out’a Syria & Lebanon. Iran has allegedly removed senior Hezbollah and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) from Syria.
IRGC and Hezbollah's mid-ranking officers are relocating from their original positions within the country to various undocumented locations, as reported by the Wall Street Journal citing Syrian security officials.
Perhaps this was the goal of Israel, removing the threat of the heads of Hezbollah during an ongoing conflict on a few other fronts (one less now currently I guess).
Iran evacuates Hezbollah, IRGC commanders from Syria amid fears of Israeli retaliation
Amid concerns of an Israeli retaliation strike onto Iran, Iran has evacuated IRGC and Hezbollah commanders stationed within Syria.
By the Iranian State for sure, & it reads like not direct sponsorship from the Lebanese & Syrian Gov’t…but only because the actual governments are only similar or less powerful than Hezbollah, so grudgingly tolerated.
By that standard US UK and Saudis are proxies due to PMCs hired from those countries to work for Israel.
Guess so. Is Israel supporting Saudi Arabia (or vise versa) militarily? Netanyahu was boasting at the UN General Assembly last year about a month before Oct 7th that a new partnership with Saudi Arabia was at hand, and that a new alliance of America, Israel, Saudi and other Arab states would confront Iran’s aggression, and Iran has been a pain in many arses regionally via its extended…family of terrorist buttholes…that are stirring things up in their neighbours backyards.
In that light, did Iran, via Hamas, preemptively intervene to prevent an alliance (call it a “pre-proxy” potential future relationship) between Saudi Arabia & Israel? Something like that? That would be what Oct 7th was really about?Iran acting out against Israel to prevent the neighbours from accepting its existence and welcoming it into the neighborhood watch and the normalization of its general relations in that chunk of real estate? The threat Iran perceives from the Abraham Accords where some of the neighbours recognize Israel’s existence as a thing that exists?
Stability in the region isn’t to Iran’s advantage regarding its own expansionist power goals for that area, and recognizing Israel by its neighbours isn’t advantageous to Iran. Is that what we’ve been seeing the last six months or so in the Middle East?
Iran–Israel relations - Wikipedia
Arab states purchased nearly a quarter of Israel's record $12.5bn in arms exports
Boom in trade with Abraham Accord countries comes as Israel's Elbit Systems says it will set up branches in Morocco...
www.middleeasteye.net
Keyword Abraham Accord
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Boom in trade with Abraham Accord countries comes as Israel's Elbit Systems says it will set up branches in Morocco...
Arab states purchased nearly a quarter of Israel's record $12.5bn in arms exports
Boom in trade with Abraham Accord countries comes as Israel's Elbit Systems says it will set up branches in Morocco
www.middleeasteye.net
Keyword Abraham Accord
Add in BRICS+
Interestingly the above link is dated from:Arab states purchased nearly a quarter of Israel's record $12.5bn in arms exports
Boom in trade with Abraham Accord countries comes as Israel's Elbit Systems says it will set up branches in Morocco...
Arab states purchased nearly a quarter of Israel's record $12.5bn in arms exports
Boom in trade with Abraham Accord countries comes as Israel's Elbit Systems says it will set up branches in Morocco
Published date: 13 June 2023 22:30 BST
The lead up to October 7th 2023 and all the anti-Israel protests on & since then, with funding for the protests (hearts and minds?) leading back to Iran.
Yep. I made that connection also.
I didn’t connect that myself. Interesting.
I think you may be on to something - Iran doesn't like the Abraham Accords which would make sense & could be the reason for the attack. It wouldn't surprise me. Hell, nothing surprises me anymore.Guess so. Is Israel supporting Saudi Arabia (or vise versa) militarily? Netanyahu was boasting at the UN General Assembly last year about a month before Oct 7th that a new partnership with Saudi Arabia was at hand, and that a new alliance of America, Israel, Saudi and other Arab states would confront Iran’s aggression, and Iran has been a pain in many arses regionally via its extended…family of terrorist buttholes…that are stirring things up in their neighbours backyards.
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View attachment 21880In that light, did Iran, via Hamas, preemptively intervene to prevent an alliance (call it a “pre-proxy” potential future relationship) between Saudi Arabia & Israel? Something like that? That would be what Oct 7th was really about?
Iran acting out against Israel to prevent the neighbours from accepting its existence and welcoming it into the neighborhood watch and the normalization of its general relations in that chunk of real estate? The threat Iran perceives from the Abraham Accords where some of the neighbours recognize Israel’s existence as a thing that exists?
Stability in the region isn’t to Iran’s advantage regarding its own expansionist power goals for that area, and recognizing Israel by its neighbours isn’t advantageous to Iran. Is that what we’ve been seeing the last six months or so in the Middle East?
Nobody is innocent nationally.Iran–Israel relations - Wikipedia
I hear you, & I think I’m onto something here also but I don’t know what:
Vs
Maybe it’s a coincidence. Maybe it’s not.
Nobody else seems to have acknowledged this, so maybe it is a pattern, but a pattern of irrelevance?
Why would it seem that Israel aligns with nations….whereas Iran aligns with non-state actors that occupy other nations? Maybe it’s not important but it does seem to be consistent.
Narrative switched to G7 Allies supporting Israel which caught my eye. I mentioned G7 Vs BRICS ages ago but I guess it was too soon.
Well, that includes us (Canada/Canadians with those three soldiers and both combat canoes) in the G7…
…with BRIC expanding to BRICS that would be the original four (Brazil, Russia, India, & China) to now also include:-South Africa
-Iran
-UAE
-Egypt
-Ethiopia
Egypt being Israel’s southern neighbour and one of the mediators (with Qatar) for Hamas, Iran being a Funder of Hamas and much of the non-state ‘militias’ in the Middle East, & South Africa the most vocal lately at the UN against Israel.
Ethiopia–Israel relations - Wikipedia
Israel–United Arab Emirates relations - Wikipedia
The Abraham Accords? Kinda makes a body wonder why the Arab world couldn't unite, against Israel or any other way, for 7000 years before the Trump Accords.
Because there was never a Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud willing to create order in the ME and above table relationships with Western and Asian nations.
Any other questions?
I don't know but whoda thunk that 3 Arab nations would be shooting rockets out of the sky for Israel before the accords?