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Police lawyers in a confidential January 28 memo cautioned Ottawa authorities to go easy on Freedom Convoy protesters in case they were Indigenous. “Any police response considers the uniqueness of Indigenous occupations,” wrote the legal department of the Ottawa Police Service: “Focus on the requirements for peacekeeping, communication, negotiation and building trust.”

Likely because if there were Indigenous people in the convoy the fear it'd turn into Oka or something like it was valid enough to scare people.
 

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Ron in Regina

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It's hard to find good truckers these days. Far too many said "fuck it".
Or are aging out of the system, etc…& not enough to replace them. Maybe in the 1/2 million new Canadians annually over the next three years will enrol in the four year course, so eventually there’ll be a new crop of truckers….I mean nurses.

At least in Saskatchewan it used to be a two-year course but now it’s a four year course because they have to take two years of medical administration… which doubles their student debt and their time in school… so in order to dig themselves out of debt most try to scramble up into administrative roles so they can utilize their education fully….which in turn leaves a shortage of nurses in the vicious cycle that it is…

The actual truckers…similar story actually. Many and most of the old-school truckers are retiring out because of the cost of trucks and the cost of fuel and the cost of insurance and the cost of repairs and the cost of maintenance and the cost of insurance….vs rates(yes I mentioned insurance twice for emphasis).

That & the whole problematic DEF/DPF systems that really can’t handle cold weather (= Canada for half the year) & don’t like the hot-cold cycle or condensation making everything unreliable, but illegal to remove to make the trucks reliable. Probably 60%+ of service issues tie back to DPF Filter sensors (& they’re in pairs, and there’s usually at least six of them) which just shut you down or put you into limp mode with power reduction (maybe 5mph) until they’re replaced, assuming they are in stock somewhere in these interesting global parts shortages, etc….

You want a new truck? Get on the list because it’s probably 18 to 24 months before you’ll see it ‘cuz that’s sustainable. You had better pre-pay for it also, & be willing to also pay the price increase for when the truck actually arrives eventually potentially two years later. Seriously.

Then since that one guy crashed into the Humboldt bus, to get a 1A (or the equivalent thereof), you pretty much need government sponsorship just to get a license now, as the costs have skyrocketed. The government in its infinite wisdom finances either physically broken people from other trades, or new Canadians that may have never ever ever have seen actual snow except in the distance on top of mountains or on the internet or in movies….& none of them want to actually physically load or unload at truck (just pin to pin). They come out of these trucking schools and they might know how to do a beautiful S turn on dry pavement…but they have no idea how to hook up to or unhook from a trailer. It’s crazy!!
 
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Or are aging out of the system, etc…& not enough to replace them. Maybe in the 1/2 million new Canadians annually over the next three years will enrol in the four year course, so eventually there’ll be a new crop of truckers….I mean nurses.

At least in Saskatchewan it used to be a two-year course but now it’s a four year course because they have to take two years of medical administration… which doubles their student debt and their time in school… so in order to dig themselves out of debt most try to scramble up into administrative roles so they can utilize their education fully….which in turn leaves a shortage of nurses in the vicious cycle that it is…

The actual truckers…similar story actually. Many and most of the old-school truckers are retiring out because of the cost of trucks and the cost of fuel and the cost of insurance and the cost of repairs and the cost of maintenance and the cost of insurance….vs rates(yes I mentioned insurance twice for emphasis).

That & the whole problematic DEF/DPF systems that really can’t handle cold weather (= Canada for half the year) & don’t like the hot-cold cycle or condensation making everything unreliable, but illegal to remove to make the trucks reliable. Probably 60%+ of service issues tie back to DPF Filter sensors (& they’re in pairs, and there’s usually at least six of them) which just shut you down or put you into limp mode with power reduction (maybe 5mph) until they’re replaced, assuming they are in stock somewhere in these interesting global parts shortages, etc….
In the civilized world, trucks run on CNG. Diesels love CNG with no tier 3 bullshit.. Conversion kits and tanks are cheap to import. Availability along regular routes you're running is rsearchable.
 
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Or are aging out of the system, etc…
used to be a two-year course but now it’s a four year course
these are things we're seeing in a lot of industries, in fact most except the bottom 'no qualifications needed' kind of jobs. In BC you need a license to sell cars. Nursing went to a 4 year program years ago and many have questioned why, it's more than is necessary. Real estate, property management, insurance broker, etc etc - all used to be pretty easy to get into and now they require long courses that take people 5 or more months pretty much full time just to pass. That's hard for someone who's trying to make ends meet - you might be able to afford the course but who can afford to just take time off of work that long. And doing it part time is much harder, and the courses aren't terribly easy. Even courses like the Phlebotomy courses (those are the people who take your blood in hospital) have become harder and more expensive, and like every medical profession they're in desperately short supply.

Meanwhile the old guard is retiring. Remember all those pictures of the "boomer bubble" we used to see in the news predicting that when that large bubble of the population reached retirement age we'd have the double problem of having too few people to replace those workers and also increased strain on our medical and oas/cpp systems? Yeah - turns out that was a real thing. And nobody planned for it.

So we've got too few workers and it's too hard/expensive to get the training newbies need for their credentials to fill the jobs.

My own industry is facing serious shortages, and we've only managed to add about a net 14 new people in the last 5 years. 14. In 5 years. It's hard to pass the courses, it takes time many don't have, and the old guard is retiring (slowly - many stay on well past 65 and there's still not enough).

Justin thinks we can solve this with massive increases in immigration. I rather doubt that.
 

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I know of nurses in Regina well into their 70s that I’ve had to change their phone numbers to unlisted numbers… because even retired they get four or five or six or more phone calls a day every day to come in and cover shifts… begging and pleading and guilting them into coming back to work. Would you want to be a nurse at 75 years old being called half a dozen times daily all through Covid to come in expose themselves (& in turn their families) during a pandemic? It’s crazy.

Things have gotten out of hand and unless the government is financing the training for people entering new industries, it might just be out of reach for most people. With the government treating the trucking industry as a dumping ground for the physically broken (and you can’t be physically broken) or new Canadians that have ZERO experience with winter for the investment in training… it’s going to get way worse.

I just watched somebody go through months and months of testing and training to be an insurance broker in Saskatchewan, & they were already fully accredited in the industry in Florida but this is a different animal I guess.

Hell, Mobile crane operators. I’m away from needing to use that industry in the last decade… but at the time the government wanted to have a journeyman on a truck with every apprentice…& it’s a one-man show…. for a minimum of four years so that that apprentice could become a journeyman…& nobody could afford that. I honestly don’t know how that one panned out or if that’s going to be a high demand industry with no employees very soon.
 

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Would you want to be a nurse at 75 years old being called half a dozen times daily all through Covid to come in expose themselves (& in turn their families) during a pandemic? It’s crazy.
No, but here's the weird thing about that - they could just let their licenses lapse. No license, no calls because they can't work. But many don't, and the reason isn't that they're afraid they're going to need money or want to work again or something, it's that they beleive there might be a crisis that honestly DOES justify them going back to help out here and there.

My mother was a nurse - retired about 6 times as I recall. My step mom is a nurse, LONG past 65 and she's still active, went back for covid and is still putting in shifts.

Things have gotten out of hand
Yeah. Its bad. We're still teaching kids that they need 4 years of university in lesbian dance theory to compete in the world, they get it and discover there's no jobs in what they studied (or they need OTHER certs to make use of them) and THEN now that they're saddled with massive debt and such they have to look at the trades and certified professions that they probably should have been focused on to begin with but nobody talks about. And now they don't have the time or money to do it.

We really need to be promoting skilled trade and worker training like insurance and phlebotomist and electricians and mechanics etc, instead of pushing every single kid into university.
 

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Continuing charter rights violations to start. The term for making laws that strongly favours companies his trust fund is invested in escapes me at the moment is another.

The old man and young punk Trudeau can violate anything they want to do, and the lefty liberal media would still protect both turds from criticism. Both of those Marxists dicktators have pretty much ripped up the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and are now using it for ass wipe. That Marxist dicktator in Ottawa should be in jail by now. Teflon Don John Gotti (mafia boss) had nothing on this buffoon in Ottawa.

We all have heard about the blackface racist Trudeau incident. But yet, he still is the PM dicktator of Canada. If Pierre had of done the same thing years back, that fkn lying lefty liberal Canadian media would have hounded that incident to death until Pierre had to quit trying to become the leader of the conservative party. And all those lefties here know that bloody well. Yet, those lefty liberals here refuse to see or admit that our fake and phony Canadian lefty liberal media protects this racist pos in Ottawa. The dicktator even supports that Nazi Zelensky in Ukraine. The Marxist and fascist PM in Ottawa has been able to consolidate both ism's into that ilk of a brain of his with ease. Three more years to go. Enjoy more events that will soon becoming from that PM guy in Ottawa. (n)
 
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I know of nurses in Regina well into their 70s that I’ve had to change their phone numbers to unlisted numbers… because even retired they get four or five or six or more phone calls a day every day to come in and cover shifts… begging and pleading and guilting them into coming back to work. Would you want to be a nurse at 75 years old being called half a dozen times daily all through Covid to come in expose themselves (& in turn their families) during a pandemic? It’s crazy.

Things have gotten out of hand and unless the government is financing the training for people entering new industries, it might just be out of reach for most people. With the government treating the trucking industry as a dumping ground for the physically broken (and you can’t be physically broken) or new Canadians that have ZERO experience with winter for the investment in training… it’s going to get way worse.

I just watched somebody go through months and months of testing and training to be an insurance broker in Saskatchewan, & they were already fully accredited in the industry in Florida but this is a different animal I guess.

Hell, Mobile crane operators. I’m away from needing to use that industry in the last decade… but at the time the government wanted to have a journeyman on a truck with every apprentice…& it’s a one-man show…. for a minimum of four years so that that apprentice could become a journeyman…& nobody could afford that. I honestly don’t know how that one panned out or if that’s going to be a high demand industry with no employees very soon.

You see, it all comes to just one thing. What Canadians need most of all right now is for more less government and less taxes. The government has taken on every industry and business in Canada, and they pretty much have phkd them all up with their mountains of rules and regulations that pretty much have stifled growth in Canada. If Canadians had 80% less of government of what there is today that would still be too much. But we do need some government to help, not hinder, the growth of Canada.

Demand less government, not more government for government "IS" the problem and never the solution. Canada has become way too socialist, and this is Canada's big problem. True conservatism is the only way to go. more freedom, less government, less taxes. What a concept, eh? Believe it or not. :unsure:
 
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Got a criminal code section for that?

You really think politicians can be imprisoned for violating your rights, don't you?

Gawd dam right that all Canadian politicians should be imprisoned for violating their oaths to the Constitution and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms if they know that they are doing so willingly. Our politicians of today could care less about rights and freedoms. Your own democrat politicians violate your American constitution every day. But yourself being a lefty liberal, you support those violations, right Chiefy boy. :LOL:
 

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Police lawyers in a confidential January 28 memo cautioned Ottawa authorities to go easy on Freedom Convoy protesters in case they were Indigenous. “Any police response considers the uniqueness of Indigenous occupations,” wrote the legal department of the Ottawa Police Service: “Focus on the requirements for peacekeeping, communication, negotiation and building trust.”

So, it's go easy on the Indians but go very hard on old whitey, eh? Sure, looks like a bit of racism going on here against old whitey, which appears to be the norm these days. It has got to the point now that we cannot get anything done in Canada anymore unless we get some Indian chief's blessing. If the chief does not want it to happen, then pretty much it will not happen.

BC is now pretty much controlled by the Indians here in BC. They must be included in all land like deals. Christ, pretty much all of the land in BC today has an Indian tribe living on it. There must be about a thousand different Indian tribes living in BC. Old whitey is pretty much now living on Indian land everywhere in BC. and that old whitey is just a guest here in BC now. How things have changed here in BC. :rolleyes:
 
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Or are aging out of the system, etc…& not enough to replace them. Maybe in the 1/2 million new Canadians annually over the next three years will enrol in the four year course, so eventually there’ll be a new crop of truckers….I mean nurses.

At least in Saskatchewan it used to be a two-year course but now it’s a four year course because they have to take two years of medical administration… which doubles their student debt and their time in school… so in order to dig themselves out of debt most try to scramble up into administrative roles so they can utilize their education fully….which in turn leaves a shortage of nurses in the vicious cycle that it is…

The actual truckers…similar story actually. Many and most of the old-school truckers are retiring out because of the cost of trucks and the cost of fuel and the cost of insurance and the cost of repairs and the cost of maintenance and the cost of insurance….vs rates(yes I mentioned insurance twice for emphasis).

That & the whole problematic DEF/DPF systems that really can’t handle cold weather (= Canada for half the year) & don’t like the hot-cold cycle or condensation making everything unreliable, but illegal to remove to make the trucks reliable. Probably 60%+ of service issues tie back to DPF Filter sensors (& they’re in pairs, and there’s usually at least six of them) which just shut you down or put you into limp mode with power reduction (maybe 5mph) until they’re replaced, assuming they are in stock somewhere in these interesting global parts shortages, etc….

You want a new truck? Get on the list because it’s probably 18 to 24 months before you’ll see it ‘cuz that’s sustainable. You had better pre-pay for it also, & be willing to also pay the price increase for when the truck actually arrives eventually potentially two years later. Seriously.

Then since that one guy crashed into the Humboldt bus, to get a 1A (or the equivalent thereof), you pretty much need government sponsorship just to get a license now, as the costs have skyrocketed. The government in its infinite wisdom finances either physically broken people from other trades, or new Canadians that may have never ever ever have seen actual snow except in the distance on top of mountains or on the internet or in movies….& none of them want to actually physically load or unload at truck (just pin to pin). They come out of these trucking schools and they might know how to do a beautiful S turn on dry pavement…but they have no idea how to hook up to or unhook from a trailer. It’s crazy!!

It's similar here in NB.

The RN course has almost two 'levels' now; basic nurse that it used to be, then administrative duties/manager duties. Then there's Practical nurse which along with the higher end manager duty (I think) is a Masters degree requirement.

The big change was for LPN's. When my mom went to tech for it, it was a year course, and they were RNA's (last province in Canada to give the RNA label the boot and switch to LPN). They did the 'grunt/dirty' work the "real" nurses didn't want to do, had no real responsibilities with patient care. Now, it's a two year course, they can do vitals, administer meds, dressing changes and so on; the risk is increased but so is their education. It's also now a jumping off point into getting an RN degree but in both instances, there is waiting. Why? Because with both types of nurses, you have small class sizes and refusal to increase them (years ago the schools DECREASED seats for the RN program despite cries to increase) and because NB has a bad history with its nurses now, many who school here graduate and leave NB, either because of low pay/respect, or because our corporations just don't show up to job fairs to push working in NB, and other provinces do the opposite.

When mom was president of the LPN association they were doing the transition for LPN's to do more things, and a lot of them were not comfortable with it, one because it was a huge jump in responsibility they weren't used to, but the big reason was pay; they did not get a pay increase to match the added duties.

They still don't make enough.

But I think if my mom hadn't gotten sick, she would'a still been working right up to and past retirement. She loved nursing, caring for patients. I always told her I could never do what she did because my patience wouldn't handle it (senior care mostly; just no) but she had more faith in me than I had in me, I guess. At least I can support them in other ways if I can't do their job.
 

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Agreed, it was legal, until it wasn't.

And the idiots thought they could do what they wanted without repercussions.
No, they thought they lived in a free country where peaceful protests were allowed. Apparently, as it's become quite well known, that's long gone and we live in an authoritarian country - it's just that it hasn't been "officially declared".
 

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No, they thought they lived in a free country where peaceful protests were allowed. Apparently, as it's become quite well known, that's long gone and we live in an authoritarian country - it's just that it hasn't been "officially declared".

Well if t his country is authoritarian, they're failing miserably at that, too.
 

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Police lawyers in a confidential January 28 memo cautioned Ottawa authorities to go easy on Freedom Convoy protesters in case they were Indigenous. “Any police response considers the uniqueness of Indigenous occupations,” wrote the legal department of the Ottawa Police Service: “Focus on the requirements for peacekeeping, communication, negotiation and building trust.”
Well, that advice was well taken wasn't it?
 
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