Canada needs to boost home building by 50 per cent to keep up with immigration, report says

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Sorry, i'd love to explain this but you're just too stupid to get it. Maybe next time.
 

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Sorry, i'd love to explain that as well but you're just too stupid to get it. Maybe next time.
 

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Well, you're probably already not at replacement level. So close the borders and let the population drop.

Problem solved.
Well it is an option that many have put forward. But of course there's a host of problems that come with a declining population.

But i do think moving forward there does have to be a deliberate connection of immigration levels with infrastructure growth. We can't bring in any more people than we're adding homes and schools and medical facilities to support them.
 
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Says the guy who bans anyone who disagrees with him.

Sorry - you're just too stupid to get it. If you weren't, you'd have been smart enough to figure it out yourself by now. Maybe next time.
 

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Trouble is, in Ontario anyways, housing costs are so high that no one can afford to rent or buy.
Well for sure but i think we're seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Like i said, the problem will get far worse before it gets better. There's no easy fix here.
 

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Quebec gets it it seems.


But what's interesting is some of the others who are starting to raise alarms and the speculation about civil unrest

Legault isn’t alone in his criticism. The head of one of Canada’s biggest banks warned this week of potential social trouble if immigration, housing and labor policies aren’t brought into better alignment.

“New Canadians want to establish a life here, they need a roof over their heads. We need to get that policy right and not wave the flag saying, isn’t it great that everyone wants to come to Canada,” Victor Dodig, chief executive officer of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce, told a Toronto business audience on Tuesday. “The whole ecosystem has to work. If they can’t get a house, if they can’t get a doctor, if they are struggling to get a job, that’s not so good.”

If we don't build enough homes to match our population growth (be it from immigration or other) then it leads to very very unhappy people with no place to go.
 

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If the current situation doesn’t improve, Canada could be facing a shortage of 100,000 tradespeople by 2029, Kieran Hawe, chief operating officer of construction services company EllisDon Corp., told The Globe and Mail in February, 2021.

Contributing to the shortfall is a coming wave of retirements. A report titled 2020–2029 Construction and Maintenance Looking Forward from BuildForce, a national industry-led organization, estimated 257,100 construction workers will retire by 2029.

Add to the mix a decline in apprentice enrolment across the board for skilled trades in general. Over the next five years, 256,000 new apprentice recruits are needed to keep pace with demand, according to the Canadian Apprenticeship Forum.

“As we experience further population growth in Canada, the construction industry will continue to be strong, and the problem will continue to persist unless action is taken,” Mr. Ramsay explains. “Careers in trades can be rewarding for many. More effort in marketing careers in trades needs to be put forth by trade associations, unions and institutions that offer training for trades, supported by government.”

He says the government should look at providing additional funding for training and immigration strategy to stimulate an increase of tradespeople at the grassroots level in Canada.

On Nov. 1, the federal government announced it will introduce new selection tools in 2023 to help the immigration system target health care and construction – two sectors that have the highest need for labour. Immigration targets have been increased over the 2022 level of more than 430,000 immigrants to 465,000 in 2023, 485,000 in 2024 and 500,000 in 2025.

In the meantime, companies like JLL are relying on building relationships with quality builders and traders. “It is something that we have always done,” Mr. Ramsay says, “and it is more important now than ever. We also carefully vet the project teams that builders and trades propose, and request changes when we feel it is in our clients’ best interests.”

Big developers in commercial real estate are facing serious challenges as they attempt to navigate their way through the current shortfall in skilled trades. “It is among the biggest issues facing the construction industry today that sits equally with inflation, supply chain disruptions and cost uncertainty,” says Jason Annibale, co-leader of construction and infrastructure with business law firm McMillan.

He says many files on his desk are related to cost overruns and delays inherited from the COVID-19 pandemic and the labour shortages. It is causing some contractors to turn down projects because they don’t know if they’ll have the capacity to execute them.

From a legal standpoint, contractors and developers should tread carefully and enter contracts fully aware of the risks they are taking on, promised delivery dates and price pressures. “You’ve got to put in effective cushions and escape valves,” Mr. Annibale says. “If you’re a contractor and you promise to deliver at a certain price, and you’re not able to do that, then you’ve accepted the risk for that.”

Contractors could be on the hook for delay liquidated damages if the owner of a retail site loses income because the location isn’t open on time. On the flip side, construction companies can earn bonuses if the project is completed earlier than agreed.

Though he feels the labour shortage in construction will continue for a few more years, Mr. Annibale is optimistic it will eventually be resolved. “The construction industry is very smart,” he says. “It will solve the problem by tapping into underrepresented groups to provide skilled labour, including women, First Nations and new Canadians. That will mean a culture shift for the positive on construction sites and in the industry generally.”

Minding the gap: new initiatives aim to fill the skilled trades void.

With the demand for tradespeople showing no signs of waning, more steps are being taken to ensure the construction industry has the help it needs. Here are a few highlights:

Level Up! is a series of career fairs organized by the Ontario government. They will highlight 144 skilled trades and target students in Grades 7 to 12 through interactive activities and presentations from tradespeople and local employers.

In September, 2022, the British Columbia Construction Association launched Building Builders, a program that connects under- and unemployed workers with experienced mentors. It will run for three years and will support 300 mentees through a 12-month mentorship period. The aim is to help newcomers enter the industry.
Alberta announced a campaign last month to raise $15-million in scholarship funds that will support students through BILD Alberta Scholarships for Construction Careers.

Beginning in 2023, the federal government is investing up to $55-million over five years under its Stream 2 (Innovation in Apprenticeship) of the Union Training and Innovation Program (UTIP). It will help fund projects that seek to improve the participation of apprentices in Red Seal trades who are women, newcomers, persons with disabilities, Indigenous people and racialized individuals.

Next year, the Government of Canada is also set to start spending up to $43.5-million to support projects that aim to recruit and retain female apprentices under the Women in Skilled Trades Initiative. It covers 39 Red Seal trades, mainly those found in construction and manufacturing.
 

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Yes, well, petra is easily confused, so lets keep it simple.

Currently there simply is no way to build enough without some pretty major changes, which simply aren't going to happen in the immediate future. Which means the problems are going to persist for a long long time.
 

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What about the simplest of all solutions? Don't let anymore immigrants in.
well that would mean our population would decline.' And that's a serious problem for several reasons. It's not like we're replacing ourselves.

BUT - seriously restricting immigrtation for a couple of years might help and give a kickstart without doing TOO much damage provided you were very specific about who you did let in and if they were excellent choices to fill our worst labour shortages.

But it woudln't do much moving forward unless some of those other critical changes happened. The problem has just gotten too large.
 

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IS this going to be another one of those times when you're deliberately too stupid to understand the simple point being made so you create fake arguments that make no sense?

Only a moron of epic proportions would think that anyone said ANYTHING even remotely close to that. You'd have to be 7 different kinds of stupid to pretend that was what you thought was being said. I said before they build a house for others they'd have to build one for themselves first. Which is fucking obvious.

I'll just ignore you from here on out, you're clearly too stupid for this conversation and you'll just get frustrated and ban me because you can't cope.
We aren’t living in 1850 when one could just register a piece of property and build what they wanted . An immigrant carpenter in 2023 does not have this advantage .
 
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