Is penal labour acceptable?

Should prisoners be given a chance to work?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 21 77.8%
  • No.

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Other answer.

    Votes: 4 14.8%

  • Total voters
    27

YukonJack

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Cliffy, you must have been inspired to your penis-obsessed posts, one after another, by looking in the mirror.

Still not answered the question, though: should convicts be required to earn their keep? Or something to that effect.
 

Cliffy

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Cliffy, you must have been inspired to your penis-obsessed posts, one after another, by looking in the mirror.

Still not answered the question, though: should convicts be required to earn their keep? Or something to that effect.
It is a word play on "penal labour". And yes, prisoners should earn their keep. The present system is just plain stupid.
 

YukonJack

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Cliffy, please do not take it as an affront on your integrity, but I agree with you.

A system that keeps law-breakers away from society should have one of two objectives in sight: rehabilitation or punishment. Any hybrid of these two efforts, without a clear choice is doomed to failure.

If the objective is punishment, make it so that the offender would never want to go thru the same expereience again.

On the other hand if an offender is rehabitable, make an effort to do so. There are enough tax-payer funded resources in the system now to determine who falls in that category. They should be given the advantage over those who were determined incorrigible.
 

JLM

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Cliffy, please do not take it as an affront on your integrity, but I agree with you.

A system that keeps law-breakers away from society should have one of two objectives in sight: rehabilitation or punishment. Any hybrid of these two efforts, without a clear choice is doomed to failure.

If the objective is punishment, make it so that the offender would never want to go thru the same expereience again.

On the other hand if an offender is rehabitable, make an effort to do so. There are enough tax-payer funded resources in the system now to determine who falls in that category. They should be given the advantage over those who were determined incorrigible.

I think a sentence for severe crimes should be split into three trimesters, punishment (No privileges, just room and board), reflection (some privileges as earned) Rehabillitation (gradual intergration back into the community and workforce).
 

YukonJack

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JLM, let me pick up a page in your book of patronizing condescension: This morning your cereal must have agreed with you; you are talking sense.
 

JLM

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JLM, let me pick up a page in your book of patronizing condescension: This morning your cereal must have agreed with you; you are talking sense.

Nope- I had ham and eggs this morning. I alternate, raisin bran and toast two mornings, ham and eggs one. But it really doesn't matter which morning I always make sense. :lol:
 

Cliffy

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Not if it means law abiding citizens go without jobs.
With thousands of laws on the books, it is near impossible for anyone to make it through the day without breaking at least one of them. A crook is only a crook if he gets caught.

And besides, the Chinese are taking jobs away from Canadians and Americans. If prisoners were doing those jobs, we could at least have more say in the quality.
 

GreenFish66

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Sure prisoners should work .Most already are required to work in jails.. Although I believe they should be payed for their work .. Money received when time served ...

So yes .. Prisoners Should be required to work ...As long as their getting payed, and they're not taking jobs away from others...Part of a rehabilitation " Step Up "
Program.

Only downside I can think of( Taken to the extreme). Is if too many people are " convicted to work "..We risk becoming a Police State Economy Run off the backs of Zombie/Slave/Drones.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/100528-policing-poverty-securing-homelessness.html - Policing Poverty ( Securing Homelessness ) - Step up program explained ..post #35
 
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YukonJack

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I do not believe in forced labour in the 19th century or communist way, but I DO believe that honest work by inmates would help them to rehabilitate and earn self-respect and so, smaller chance of re-offending after being released.
 

GreenFish66

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I do not believe in forced labour in the 19th century or communist way, but I DO believe that honest work by inmates would help them to rehabilitate and earn self-respect and so, smaller chance of re-offending after being released.

As long as they get payed for the work they do...So when they are released back into the public, they can afford rent and food... Some help to get back on their feet ...Or.. they will more than likely, just Cycle back into the lifestyle they know best..

Democratic Socialism works best, for people with nothing .Give them the chance to " Step Up " to Financial Freedom( If there is still such a thing)( If the Controling Capitalists will allow it.. )
 
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cranky

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I do not believe in forced labour in the 19th century or communist way, but I DO believe that honest work by inmates would help them to rehabilitate and earn self-respect and so, smaller chance of re-offending after being released.
I agree, and that is why i think it is a great way to deal with youth. We have a chance to pass to them a strong work ethic. But with adults, some of them are already hard workers and or terminally lazy. I still not sure if they can be rehabed as easily as our youth