Jesus was a Liberal

[Serryah]

So Conservative Christians in the US FINALLY realize Jesus of the Bible was a Liberal.

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192663920/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trump-christianity

"It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — "turn the other cheek" — [and] to have someone come up after to say, "Where did you get those liberal talking points?" And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, "I'm literally quoting Jesus Christ," the response would not be, "I apologize." The response would be, "Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak." And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we're in a crisis."


I'm not sure if this is funny, or it should be scary as hell.

 

[Ron in Regina]

It’s ironic is what it is, and both a little bit scary and funny, and perhaps the basis for a good Meme, & I do love a good meme.

(I don’t have the knowledge base in depth to try to figure out a historical figure (who may or may not be fictional, but I’ll leave that alone) political leanings in today eyes 2000 years after their death.)

I’m going with ironic!!

 

[Serryah]

It’s ironic is what it is, and both a little bit scary and funny, and perhaps the basis for a good Meme, & I do love a good meme.

(I don’t have the knowledge base in depth to try to figure out a historical figure (who may or may not be fictional, but I’ll leave that alone) political leanings in today eyes 2000 years after their death.)

I’m going with ironic!!
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I actually watched a video recently of a History guy who is Jewish, who laid out places in the Bible that could suggest Jesus was a live person and not a fictional person. It was an interesting video. His theory is that "X people mentioned in the Bible are also true, if you cross reference them with actual historical facts, and since there is a couple of instances of Jesus mentioned by same said people..."

But that Meme is scary as much as it's true to the current day Christians.

 

[55Mercury]

when they're "turning the other cheek" be careful to note whether it's the left cheek or the right one

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Jesus was probably a real person to the extent that there was a charismatic apocalyptic preacher in 1st century Palestine, or possibly several, that the tales of him are derived from, but clearly they’ve been heavily exaggerated and embellished. Nobody was walking on water or raising the dead, but certainly someone could have delivered the Sermon on the Mount. It was a time of great political and religious ferment, which does seem to draw out the apocalyptically minded.

 

[petros]

Jesus was probably a real person to the extent that there was a charismatic apocalyptic preacher in 1st century Palestine, or possibly several, that the tales of him are derived from, but clearly they’ve been heavily exaggerated and embellished. Nobody was walking on water or raising the dead, but certainly someone could have delivered the Sermon on the Mount. It was a time of great political and religious ferment, which does seem to draw out the apocalyptically minded.

Metaphors not nagic. Sheesh.

 

[harrylee]

Jesus was probably a real person to the extent that there was a charismatic apocalyptic preacher in 1st century Palestine, or possibly several, that the tales of him are derived from, but clearly they’ve been heavily exaggerated and embellished. Nobody was walking on water or raising the dead, but certainly someone could have delivered the Sermon on the Mount. It was a time of great political and religious ferment, which does seem to draw out the apocalyptically minded.

The David Copperfield of that time.

 

[55Mercury]

The David Copperfield of that time.

I watched The Man From Earth and never once was it suggested that he was David Copperfield.

 

[petros]

The David Copperfield of that time.

I watched The Man From Earth and never once was it suggested that he was David Copperfield.

David Copperfield is a myth.

 

[Jinentonix]

He sure was a Liberal. As Jesus once said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, yadda yadda yadda".
So we know he believed in letting the govt take your money. Don't get much more liberal than that.

 

[petros]

He sure was a Liberal. As Jesus once said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, yadda yadda yadda".
So we know he believed in letting the govt take your money. Don't get much more liberal than that.

Or a Libertarian who doesn't want to use Govt means of trade. It iwasn't Jesus' image stamped onto coins to show ownership.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

He sure was a Liberal. As Jesus once said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, yadda yadda yadda".
So we know he believed in letting the govt take your money. Don't get much more liberal than that.

You mean he said you should pay your taxes?

Well, conservatives certainly don't believe that!

 

[petros]

You mean he said you should pay your taxes?

Well, conservatives certainly don't believe that!

Bloated Govt. He didn't mind paying Casear but yet trashed the idea of paying through corrupt Judeans.

What gives Homme Slice?

 

[Jinentonix]

You mean he said you should pay your taxes?

No, you should reject your worldly possessions because God is only interested in your soul.

Well, conservatives certainly don't believe that!

Al Sharpton is a conservative? Paul Martin was a conservative?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

No, you should reject your worldly possessions because God is only interested in your soul.

Not in that verse. Though generally correct. In context, he was also deftly escaping a set-up question by the Man.

Al Sharpton is a conservative? Paul Martin was a conservative?

Al Sharpton is a buffoon, and Paul Martin is Canadian, and therefore a socialist.

 

[petros]

Not in that verse. Though generally correct. In context, he was also deftly escaping a set-up question by the Man.

Al Sharpton is a buffoon, and Paul Martin is Canadian, and therefore a socialist.

Did you know Dellisio is off the frozen shelves in Canada?

Thank you Jesus!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Metaphors not nagic. Sheesh.

I presume you meant magic, even the brightest among us can be forgiven the occasional typo. It’s often hard to tell which is which, and it has long seemed to me that the more we learn about the world the smaller the role we’re willing to allow for the supernatural in it. The scope for the God of the Gaps argument is steadily shrinking. Some day we might get to zero. Some of us already have.

 

[petros]

I presume you meant magic, even the brightest among us can be forgiven the occasional typo. It’s often hard to tell which is which, and it has long seemed to me that the more we learn about the world the smaller the role we’re willing to allow for the supernatural in it. The scope for the God of the Gaps argument is steadily shrinking. Some day we might get to zero. Some of us already have.

You think it can be bred out or it'll be a shift in faith as we lose more of our instinct?

 

[spaminator]

Jesus was a Liberal

 

[Dexter Sinister]

You think it can be bred out or it'll be a shift in faith as we lose more of our instinct?

Neither. It can be educated out of some people, that's largely how I got there. A good scientific education is pretty corrosive to faith if you can generalize it from just the narrow perspective of the science to a broader view of how the world works, but faith in general is just as much alive as it's ever been. It's not going away any time soon, at least not until we get over our fear of death, and even that might not do it. Faith, considered as belief without evidence, and sometimes in the teeth of the evidence, is magical thinking. That's the default for most of us, we are not generally rational critical thinkers. We're capable of rational critical thinking, certainly, but that's a learned skill and it's bloody difficult, both to teach and to learn.