Anglo-Saxon church found underneath Norman church

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'Truly remarkable' remains of what could be an Anglo-Saxon church are uncovered UNDERNEATH a 943-year-old Norman church in Stoke Mandeville

Researchers were excavating the St Mary's Old Church in Stoke Mandeville
They had previously moved 3,000 bodies from the churchyard to a new location
It sits in the path of the HS2 route and is being excavated before building starts
The team found evidence the Saxon church reused Roman tiles in foundations


By RYAN MORRISON FOR MAILONLINE
8 September 2021

The remarkable remains of what could be an Anglo-Saxon church have been uncovered beneath the foundations of a long demolished Norman church.

Archeologists working for the controversial new high-speed railway network, HS2, uncovered the ruins during excavation work on the remains of the St Mary's Old Church in Stoke Mandeville, Buckinghamshire.

Under the foundation layer of the Norman church, built in 1080 shortly after the Norman conquest, the archeologists discovered evidence of another building.

The experts suspect this is the remains of a much older, and previously unknown, Anglo-Saxon church that would have been similar to the still-standing Saxon-era St Peter's Church in Barton-upon-Humber, north Lincolnshire.

They also found evidence the foundations of the newly discovered Saxon church in Stoke Mandeville was built using Roman-era roof tiles.

Archeologists working for the controversial new high-speed railway network, HS2, uncovered the medieval ruins during excavation work on the remains of the St Mary's Old Church in Stoke Mandeville, Buckinghamshire. Pictured is CGI reconstruction of the Norman church

Archeologists working for the controversial new high-speed railway network, HS2, uncovered the medieval ruins during excavation work on the remains of the St Mary's Old Church in Stoke Mandeville, Buckinghamshire. Pictured is CGI reconstruction of the Norman church

The HS2 team are making the findings from the site, including evidence of the earlier church, available to the public to view as part of a 'field museum'

The HS2 team are making the findings from the site, including evidence of the earlier church, available to the public to view as part of a 'field museum'

WHO WERE THE ANGLO SAXONS?

Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group that inhabited England from the 5th Century, dominating society through the Early Middle Ages.

They traced their origins to migrants from the North Sea coastlands of mainland Europe.

However, the identity of Anglo-Saxon evolved in England, through different groups interacting - including a number of Germanic tribes.

They developed the concept of England itself, and while only 26% of the modern English language uses words from this group, they are the words we use most often.

Their period dates from 450 AD to 1066, with the Norman conquest.

Regional government, shires and other aspects of 'England' as we know it today, date from this period.


The Norman church was demolished in the 1960s by Royal Engineers, after being largely unused since the 1880s, and the ruins are in the path of HS2.

Before any work can be done on the train line, over 40 archeologists have been digging up the grounds, including relocating over 3,000 bodies to a new graveyard.

Following the Norman conquest in 1066, there was a huge church building programme across England from parish churches to larger city cathedrals.

It wasn't uncommon for some of these to be built on top of conquered Saxon ruins - but it is rare to have the opportunity to excavate and examine them in this way as many did not survive the vast Norman architecture, the archaeologists said.

The church originally being excavated had been renovated in the 13th, 14th and 17th centuries, and played a central role in the community.

It had been furnished with a variety of extensions and the construction of a brick bell tower over its long history.

A new church closer to the centre of the nearby village was built in the 1880s, and at that point the Norman church fell into disrepair, according to local historians.

The Normans weren't the first to build on what came before though, as the foundations of the Anglo-Saxon building reused Roman roof tiles, the team found.

There is evidence of a nearby Roman settlement so it is possible that the materials were reused from a previous structure away from this location, although archaeologists are hoping that evidence of an even earlier structure could be found.

Before any work can be done on the train line, over 40 archeologists have been digging up the grounds, including relocating over 3,000 bodies to a new graveyard

Before any work can be done on the train line, over 40 archeologists have been digging up the grounds, including relocating over 3,000 bodies to a new graveyard


A field museum will be opened on the site of the old churches to allow the public to view the finds, before work begins on the new train line

A field museum will be opened on the site of the old churches to allow the public to view the finds, before work begins on the new train line

The church originally being excavated had been renovated in the 13th, 14th and 17th centuries, and played a central role in the community

The church originally being excavated had been renovated in the 13th, 14th and 17th centuries, and played a central role in the community

They also found evidence the foundations of the newly discovered Saxon church in Stoke Mandeville was built using Roman-era roof tiles

They also found evidence the foundations of the newly discovered Saxon church in Stoke Mandeville was built using Roman-era roof tiles


The experts suspect this is the remains of a much older, and previously unknown, Anglo-Saxon church that would have been similar to the still-standing Saxon-era St Peter's Church in Barton-upon-Humber, North Lincolnshire

The experts suspect this is the remains of a much older, and previously unknown, Anglo-Saxon church that would have been similar to the still-standing Saxon-era St Peter's Church in Barton-upon-Humber, North Lincolnshire
 

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They were able to determine the existence of the Anglo-Saxon church based on the fact the Norman church structure was built on a light grey compacted foundation band.

Based on other sites previously excavated, they knew this band had been laid by the Normans themselves.

This means that any archaeological deposits found below that band would be pre-Norman, and so it was most likely Anglo Saxon era.

Archaeologists also discovered flint walls forming a square structure underneath the Norman levels.

These were enclosed by a circular boundary ditch, and a small number of associated burials. Archaeologists believe it is a Saxon church.

The flint foundations are more than a yard wide, which indicates it would have been a tall structure, although its footprint would have been small.

The footprint is similar to a standing Saxon Church in Barton-upon-Humber, St Peter's, the archaeologists said.

They were able to determine the existence of the Anglo-Saxon church based on the fact the Norman church structure was built on a light grey compacted foundation band

They were able to determine the existence of the Anglo-Saxon church based on the fact the Norman church structure was built on a light grey compacted foundation band

The Normans weren't the first to build on what came before though, as the foundations of the Anglo-Saxon building reused Roman roof tiles, the team found

The Normans weren't the first to build on what came before though, as the foundations of the Anglo-Saxon building reused Roman roof tiles, the team found

WHO WERE THE NORMANS?

The Normans were the inhabitants of the medieval Duchy of Normandy.

Descendents of Norse Viking settlers, they conquered a range of territories including England and Sicily.

Their dynasty had a major political, cultural and military impact on Europe, particularly noted for culture and Romanesque architecture.

England fell to Normand hands after an expedition on behalf of the duke, William the Conqueror, led to the Norman conquest of England at the historic Battle of Hastings in 1066.

Norman language, culture, judicial and political arrangements remain in England, France, Spain and Sicily.


Dr Rachel Wood, lead archaeologist for Fusion JV, leading the work in Stoke Mandeville said: 'This is a fantastic discovery that we are all very excited to excavate.

'The work undertaken at Old St Mary's is a unique archaeological opportunity to excavate a medieval parish church with over 900 years of meaning to the local community.

'It also gives us the opportunity to learn more about the community that used the church and to understand the lives they lived.

'To then find an earlier structure beneath the Norman church is outstanding.

'To have so much of it remaining, including the walls and even some flooring, will provide a great deal of information about the site prior to the construction of the Norman church in 1080AD.

'The discovery of this pre-Norman, possible Saxon Church is a once in a career opportunity for archaeologists and will provide a much greater understanding of the history of Stoke Mandeville.'

Helen Wass, HS2's head of heritage, said all artefacts and human remains uncovered will be treated with dignity, care and respect and 'our discoveries will be shared with the community through open days and expert lectures.'

'HS2's archaeology programme seeks to engage with all communities both local and nationally to share the information and knowledge gained as well as leaving a lasting archival and skills legacy,' she added.

Remains of possible Saxon church found under Norman building | Daily Mail Online
 

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A year ago I also read such news, and decided with my family to go there to excavate. Nearby there was an exhibition and a temporary museum where you could see the remains of previous structures. Underneath the Norman church, flint walls were found, forming a square in plan. According to the team, they are part of an Anglo-Saxon church. The only known comparable object, the experts noted, is a vessel displayed in New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. It is amazing that it is more than 1,000 years old, although I doubt its authenticity. If you read https://firstchurchlove.com there were such vessels before, so archaeologists have yet to find out what era and culture it belongs to.
 

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A year ago I also read such news, and decided with my family to go there to excavate. Nearby there was an exhibition and a temporary museum where you could see the remains of previous structures. Underneath the Norman church, flint walls were found, forming a square in plan. According to the team, they are part of an Anglo-Saxon church. The only known comparable object, the experts noted, is a vessel displayed in New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art. It is amazing that it is more than 1,000 years old, although I doubt its authenticity. If you read https://firstchurchlove.com there were such vessels before, so archaeologists have yet to find out what era and culture it belongs to.

So a vessel in New York is comparable to an Anglo-Saxon church?

Where in Britain are you?
 

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This part (the prairie) of Canada doesn’t have thousand year old churches and such, but there’s still some neat interesting stuff.

Most of it was aquatic unless you where closer to the shoreline (towards Alberta), but weird cool stuff nonetheless. I’ve found (as a kid) mussels or clams that where dated to between 65-75 million years old for example…& while rock crushing we stumbled across a weird one the nobody could figure out (on our crew anyway). It looked like a spring, about 18” long and 3-4” diameter….

Turns out it was fossilized sediment from (so a negative) from the inside of the shell near the end tip of a Straight Nautiloid which was the Apex Predator on the planet at the time which was about 480,000,000 years ago. Oldest dated object I’d ever heard in my hands. It was estimated that this animal would have been between 30-40’ in length.
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I’ve also worked on a Crusher set up a few city blocks from where this discovery was made:
Lord only knows what, after running several hundred thousand yards through that Crusher what palaeontologic treasures we made into 3/4”minus fractured road gravel just from that site alone in the span of a month or so. It boggles the mind…

I’ve also crushed rock in the Mortlach Parkbeg areas so I’m sure we would feed many archeological treasures through the crusher from that area also.
 

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Turns out it was fossilized sediment from (so a negative) from the inside of the shell near the end tip of a Straight Nautiloid which was the Apex Predator on the planet at the time which was about 480,000,000 years ago. Oldest dated object I’d ever heard in my hands. It was estimated that this animal would have been between 30-40’ in length.
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Then the groomers turned all the little Straight Nautiloids tranny and faggot and dyke, and where are they now?

Extinct, that's where!

MAGA!

And it was only 4800 years ago, because Gawd created the world 6000 years ago!
 
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….I’ve also worked on a Crusher set up a few city blocks from where this discovery was made:
Lord only knows what, after running several hundred thousand yards through that Crusher what palaeontologic treasures we made into 3/4”minus fractured road gravel just from that site alone in the span of a month or so. It boggles the mind….
For many years now, Saskatchewan has been the proud home of the world’s largest Tyrannosaurus rex.

Nicknamed Scotty, this once huge animal used to roam the earth some 66 million years ago. Weighing an estimated 19,555 pounds, the equivalent of four pickup trucks, and measuring nearly 42 feet long.

Scotty took more than two decades to fully excavate and analyze and was named the largest member of its species ever found, as well as the longest-lived T. rex, according to the fossil record.

A new study, however, suggests Scotty might not hold those titles for much longer.

Paleontologists from the Canadian Museum of Nature in Ottawa have estimated the largest T. rex may have actually weighed roughly 33,000 pounds, making it heavier than an average school bus, which weighs about 24,000 pounds.

Researchers were attempting to answer the question: How big could a Tyrannosaurus rex actually get? The rest at the above link.
 

Ron in Regina

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….I’ve also worked on a Crusher set up a few city blocks from where this discovery was made:
Lord only knows what, after running several hundred thousand yards through that Crusher what palaeontologic treasures we made into 3/4”minus fractured road gravel just from that site alone in the span of a month or so. It boggles the mind….
For many years now, Saskatchewan has been the proud home of the world’s largest Tyrannosaurus rex.

Nicknamed Scotty, this once huge animal used to roam the earth some 66 million years ago. Weighing an estimated 19,555 pounds, the equivalent of four pickup trucks, and measuring nearly 42 feet long.

Scotty took more than two decades to fully excavate and analyze and was named the largest member of its species ever found, as well as the longest-lived T. rex, according to the fossil record.

A new study, however, suggests Scotty might not hold those titles for much longer.

Paleontologists from the Canadian Museum of Nature in Ottawa have estimated the largest T. rex may have actually weighed roughly 33,000 pounds, making it heavier than an average school bus, which weighs about 24,000 pounds.

Researchers were attempting to answer the question: How big could a Tyrannosaurus rex actually get?